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Panthers’ 1st-Round Pick Could Be a RB Not Named Gurley

When Todd Gurley announced last month that he had a pre-draft visit with the Panthers, the idea was intriguing. Not many thought Carolina would be in the market for a running back, at least not where they’d be willing to spend a first-round pick on one. But it made sense on multiple levels.Even though the Panthers have bigger needs, and they’re starting to dig out of previously committing too much at running back, it’s fair to wonder about Jonathan Stewart. He reinvigorated his career last year, but injury concerns will always linger. If something happened to him, it’d leave the group with Mike Tolbert, Fozzy Whittaker and Jordan Todman. Plus, Gurley has been described as a “once-in-a-generation” talent who is “the best prospect, at any position, in the draft.”So if the Panthers were doing their due diligence on him, they’d likely look into the draft’s other potential first-round back as well, right?
The news shared Tuesday by NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport won’t make headlines like Gurley’s visit, but that Carolina worked out Melvin Gordon is worth noticing. He doesn’t have the same aura as Gurley, but it may be time to start giving Gordon more attention as a potential Panthers’ pick.As a junior last season at Wisconsin, he put up videogame-like stats: 2,587 yards, 32 touchdowns, 7.5 yards per carry, six games of 200 rushing yards or more, 408!!! yards against Nebraska. But while others have produced big numbers in Wisconsin’s run-heavy offense, the last somewhat successful Badger back in the pros was Ron Dayne.And when comparing Gordon and Gurley’s measureables, there’s a noticeable difference in weight. Gordon, who’s 6-foot-1, 215 pounds, is more than 10 pounds lighter. If one’s going to be a workhorse, it’s more likely to be the guy weighing in at 230 with a more powerful running style.Yet Gordon is currently staging a campaign for himself.
“Obviously, Todd is a great player. But I’m not 230 (pounds). We’re both fast. He’s a bigger back. I feel like that shouldn’t take away. He’s considered the special back and the rest of the class, especially me, we’re just another group of guys. I don’t find that fair because I feel like I’m a special back. I feel like I can do it all,” Gordon recently said, via U-T San Diego.”I’m a playmaker. I can run the ball up the middle. I can run it outside. I can run the ball from the gun. I can do it all. I can catch the ball and make some plays; I’ve done it. … I think guys just automatically assume because I’m not 230 and I’m not straight bulldozing guys over that I’m not a strong runner, which is false. … I’m a special back, and I know I am.”Besides questions about his power, there are some concerns about Gordon’s ability as a receiver and in pass protection. But it’s not like the guy stinks. It doesn’t matter what system you’re in — if teams are lining up 10 in the box to stop you, and you still nearly break Barry Sanders’ single-season rushing record, you’re doing something right.

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While most consider Gurley to have a higher ceiling, there is a major factor in Gordon’s favor. He’s had a mostly clean injury history. Gurley is five months removed from a torn ACL.Gurley could very well back up the hype that surrounds him. And if he’s still around when the Panthers are on the board at No. 25, general manager Dave Gettleman may immediately turn in his draft card with Gurley’s name on it. But if running back 1A is gone, don’t be shocked if 1B — Gordon — is the guy Carolina calls.

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  • Cyteria Knight

    What about Jay Ajayi? After Gurley, I’d love to see the Panthers take him. I think he’s special.

    • Bill Voth

      Lots of talented RBs in this draft, which would help make argument against grabbing Gurley and Gordon early. The two could both be really good, but Gurley has something that makes the unpopular option of drafting an RB in the first round more palatable.

      • Cyteria Knight

        The only problem I have with waiting till later rounds or udfa’s is we have not been very successful so far with our late round RB’s. The Panthers are a running team and I think we should draft a RB who would be more likely to be our bell-cow of the future. I love JStew but we don’t know how durable he will be. We’ll never know whether Tyler Gaffney could have been that guy for us because of New England’s snatch & grab last year but with a draft this loaded this would be a good time to pull the trigger on a potential feature RB of the future.

    • Panthers/Truth

      After Gurley and Gordon, Jay Ajayi heads the 2nd group of 8 RB’s (through the 3rd round), with David Johnson, Yeldon, and “Buck” Allen also in the 220+ pound range, while the others range from 205-208 pounds, and any of those 8 RB’s could be great, or a bust. Given the needs at other positions, I can also see the Panthers looking for their #2 RB as a projected UDFA, like John Crockett (5’11 3/4″, 217, 4.62-40, 1.54-10), Dreamius Smith (5’10 5/8″, 223, and Pro Day 4.48-40, 1.59-10), and my favorite (I would draft him with their 6th round pick) Corey Grant (5’8 7/8″, 201, Pro Day 40 times ranging from 4.16 to 4.31, with a 1.57-10).

      • Cyteria Knight

        The only problem I have with waiting till later rounds or udfa’s is we have not been very successful so far with our late round RB’s. The Panthers are a running team and I think we should draft a RB who would be more likely to be our bell-cow of the future. I love JStew but we don’t know how durable he will be. We’ll never know whether Tyler Gaffney could have been that guy for us because of New England’s snatch & grab last year but with a draft this loaded this would be a good time to pull the trigger on a potential future RB.

  • Cyteria Knight

    What about Jay Ajayi? After Gurley, I’d love to see the Panthers take him. I think he’s special.

    • Bill Voth

      Lots of talented RBs in this draft, which would help make argument against grabbing Gurley and Gordon early. The two could both be really good, but Gurley has something that makes the unpopular option of drafting an RB in the first round more palatable.

      • Cyteria Knight

        The only problem I have with waiting till later rounds or udfa’s is we have not been very successful so far with our late round RB’s. The Panthers are a running team and I think we should draft a RB who would be more likely to be our bell-cow of the future. I love JStew but we don’t know how durable he will be. We’ll never know whether Tyler Gaffney could have been that guy for us because of New England’s snatch & grab last year but with a draft this loaded this would be a good time to pull the trigger on a potential feature RB of the future.

    • Panthers/Truth

      After Gurley and Gordon, Jay Ajayi heads the 2nd group of 8 RB’s (through the 3rd round), with David Johnson, Yeldon, and “Buck” Allen also in the 220+ pound range, while the others range from 205-208 pounds, and any of those 8 RB’s could be great, or a bust. Given the needs at other positions, I can also see the Panthers looking for their #2 RB as a projected UDFA, like John Crockett (5’11 3/4″, 217, 4.62-40, 1.54-10), Dreamius Smith (5’10 5/8″, 223, and Pro Day 4.48-40, 1.59-10), and my favorite (I would draft him with their 6th round pick) Corey Grant (5’8 7/8″, 201, Pro Day 40 times ranging from 4.16 to 4.31, with a 1.57-10).

      • Cyteria Knight

        The only problem I have with waiting till later rounds or udfa’s is we have not been very successful so far with our late round RB’s. The Panthers are a running team and I think we should draft a RB who would be more likely to be our bell-cow of the future. I love JStew but we don’t know how durable he will be. We’ll never know whether Tyler Gaffney could have been that guy for us because of New England’s snatch & grab last year but with a draft this loaded this would be a good time to pull the trigger on a potential future RB.

  • Dylan Bauer

    Mark my words, o-line wont be addressed in the first round. Unless some of the better players fall.

    • Bill Voth

      Give Gettleman truth serum, and I think he’d say if all things were equal, he’d snag an OT at 25 if a guy they want falls to No. 25.

      • Dylan Bauer

        If one worth the pick falls to him, than yes. I just don’t think at 25 there will be one worth a first round pick. To clarify I mean a left tackle.

  • Dylan Bauer

    Mark my words, o-line wont be addressed in the first round. Unless some of the better players fall.

    • Bill Voth

      Give Gettleman truth serum, and I think he’d say if all things were equal, he’d snag an OT at 25 if a guy they want falls to No. 25.

      • Dylan Bauer

        If one worth the pick falls to him, than yes. I just don’t think at 25 there will be one worth a first round pick. To clarify I mean a left tackle.

  • Carpanfan95

    You can watch film on Gurley and Gordon and can tell a big difference I do give credit to Gordon not getting injured, but there is a huge difference between the SEC and Big 10 conferences. Ga. produces RB’s I had Isaiah Crowell on my radar to draft last year. He left Ga. to go the UAB so he could get out from behind a deep RB group meaning Gurley and could play right from the start. Darren Reaves came from UAB and that program was turning around when they closed the football program.
    There is a fall off after Gordon, hate to say it but Gordon is the closest, beside GT’s RB group under HC Paul Johnson who runs the triple option. Those guys are RB’s/ FB’s who will punish a defense over a game.
    Everyone don’t panic there is a deep class of RB’s coming out next year to.
    So Gettleman needs to go and trade up and land impact players, because we don’t need 9 picks, There is still UDFA that Gettleman does well in, Team cut downs from 90-75-53. We are going to be fine.
    I’m stumped in this draft because the talent level is so high and deep past the 7th round. This should tell everyone that every team is going to get better and Veterans that are on the bubble will get cut. Remember not every GM is as good as Gettleman in drafting players either. Look how long Gettleman was a scout before becoming our GM for his first time. Gettleman has to sneaky smart and put smoke screens out to keep other teams guessing or they will just follow him along and draft his players ahead of him. Belichick took Gaffney didn’t he. Every time we cut a player they get signed to see what they can do and why Gettleman cut them.
    Just imagine next year what Gettleman can do coming out of cap jail in FA. Everyone keeps complaining that he doesn’t sign top players, well folks he can’t on 10 dollars when it cost a 100 to get tin the game. Marty Hurney is probably a great guy, but lacked in drafting and as a GM. If any other GM had been hired they would be gone by now. I don’t think anyone could have done as well as Gettleman to get us where we are in 2 years coming in facing a 16 million over cap limit.
    Thanks Dave Gettleman.

    • Bill Voth

      Well thought out comment. Didn’t include this in post, but … in three games against SEC teams, Gordon totaled 534 yards and four touchdowns while averaging 7.1 yards per carry. Obviously three games is a tiny sample size compared to full conference schedules against the SEC, so that’s a BIG FWIW. Gurley is obviously the more exciting option, but wanted to point out Panthers are doing due diligence on both backs … among others, obviously.

  • Carpanfan95

    You can watch film on Gurley and Gordon and can tell a big difference I do give credit to Gordon not getting injured, but there is a huge difference between the SEC and Big 10 conferences. Ga. produces RB’s I had Isaiah Crowell on my radar to draft last year. He left Ga. to go the UAB so he could get out from behind a deep RB group meaning Gurley and could play right from the start. Darren Reaves came from UAB and that program was turning around when they closed the football program.
    There is a fall off after Gordon, hate to say it but Gordon is the closest, beside GT’s RB group under HC Paul Johnson who runs the triple option. Those guys are RB’s/ FB’s who will punish a defense over a game.
    Everyone don’t panic there is a deep class of RB’s coming out next year to.
    So Gettleman needs to go and trade up and land impact players, because we don’t need 9 picks, There is still UDFA that Gettleman does well in, Team cut downs from 90-75-53. We are going to be fine.
    I’m stumped in this draft because the talent level is so high and deep past the 7th round. This should tell everyone that every team is going to get better and Veterans that are on the bubble will get cut. Remember not every GM is as good as Gettleman in drafting players either. Look how long Gettleman was a scout before becoming our GM for his first time. Gettleman has to sneaky smart and put smoke screens out to keep other teams guessing or they will just follow him along and draft his players ahead of him. Belichick took Gaffney didn’t he. Every time we cut a player they get signed to see what they can do and why Gettleman cut them.
    Just imagine next year what Gettleman can do coming out of cap jail in FA. Everyone keeps complaining that he doesn’t sign top players, well folks he can’t on 10 dollars when it cost a 100 to get tin the game. Marty Hurney is probably a great guy, but lacked in drafting and as a GM. If any other GM had been hired they would be gone by now. I don’t think anyone could have done as well as Gettleman to get us where we are in 2 years coming in facing a 16 million over cap limit.
    Thanks Dave Gettleman.

    • Bill Voth

      Well thought out comment. Didn’t include this in post, but … in three games against SEC teams, Gordon totaled 534 yards and four touchdowns while averaging 7.1 yards per carry. Obviously three games is a tiny sample size compared to full conference schedules against the SEC, so that’s a BIG FWIW. Gurley is obviously the more exciting option, but wanted to point out Panthers are doing due diligence on both backs … among others, obviously.

  • Pee Dee

    How much cap space do we have for rookies? I thought I saw in another post that it was something like $5 million, which sounds low. Nonetheless, I doubt we could afford Gurley or Gordon along with another rookie or two. Is that way off base?

  • Pee Dee

    How much cap space do we have for rookies? I thought I saw in another post that it was something like $5 million, which sounds low. Nonetheless, I doubt we could afford Gurley or Gordon along with another rookie or two. Is that way off base?

  • Panthers/Truth

    I was a huge Gordan fan during the season, but some troubling issues have popped up in the last 2 months.

    1. 19% of Gordon’s carries went for no gain, or lost yardage.

    2. Gordon’s Combine numbers mostly very average, including his 4.52-40, with a 1.62-10 (some of this might be attributed to the new fully electronic timing method used at the Combine for the first time this year, which is slower than the old method).

    3. The only standout number from Gordon’s Combine workout was his 4.08-20 yard shuttle time, which placed him in the top 10% of RB’s over the last 10 years.

    Gordon’s NFL success might depend upon the blocking he has in front of him.

  • Panthers/Truth

    I was a huge Gordan fan during the season, but some troubling issues have popped up in the last 2 months.

    1. 19% of Gordon’s carries went for no gain, or lost yardage.

    2. Gordon’s Combine numbers mostly very average, including his 4.52-40, with a 1.62-10 (some of this might be attributed to the new fully electronic timing method used at the Combine for the first time this year, which is slower than the old method).

    3. The only standout number from Gordon’s Combine workout was his 4.08-20 yard shuttle time, which placed him in the top 10% of RB’s over the last 10 years.

    Gordon’s NFL success might depend upon the blocking he has in front of him.

  • Panthers/Truth

    Gurley only weighed 222 pounds at the Combine, but was up to 227 for his Pro Day.

    Gurley isn’t able to workout before the draft, but at the 2014 Georgia Pro Day he ran a 4.52-4-, with a 1.56-10, 36 1/2″ vertical, and 10’0″ broad jump.

    Gurley has big 10″ hands, which helps greatly limit his fumbles to only 1 per 191.7 carries.

    ProFootballFocus.com ranks Gurley as the #1 RB in the draft, in “Elusiveness Rating” and “Yards After Contact”

    • Bill Voth

      Appreciate you taking the time to comment on here, but think this may be a helpful read: http://ow.ly/LCAHe Also a note to keep in mind: The Panthers/Gettleman don’t grade prospects by a stopwatch. They grade them on game speed.

  • Panthers/Truth

    Gurley only weighed 222 pounds at the Combine, but was up to 227 for his Pro Day.

    Gurley isn’t able to workout before the draft, but at the 2014 Georgia Pro Day he ran a 4.52-4-, with a 1.56-10, 36 1/2″ vertical, and 10’0″ broad jump.

    Gurley has big 10″ hands, which helps greatly limit his fumbles to only 1 per 191.7 carries.

    ProFootballFocus.com ranks Gurley as the #1 RB in the draft, in “Elusiveness Rating” and “Yards After Contact”

    • Bill Voth

      Appreciate you taking the time to comment on here, but think this may be a helpful read: http://ow.ly/LCAHe Also a note to keep in mind: The Panthers/Gettleman don’t grade prospects by a stopwatch. They grade them on game speed.

  • Matt

    Bill, did you hear Proehl’s comments in his interview with Garcia today? He said an improved Stephen Hill is going to get a real shot this year. Then again, Gettleman said the same things about McNutt and King last year, and we all know how that turned out.

  • Matt

    Bill, did you hear Proehl’s comments in his interview with Garcia today? He said an improved Stephen Hill is going to get a real shot this year. Then again, Gettleman said the same things about McNutt and King last year, and we all know how that turned out.

  • Nathan Shane Long

    Carolina will draft a wide receiver in the 1st round either Perriman or Dorsett i mean Gettlemen has addressed the team needs in free agency Offensive Tackle (Oher,Martin) which will be the starting tackle combo receiver (Ginn,Boykin) no way Bersin or Cotchery make the 53 man roster next season and the secondary (Tillman,Coleman) so this will be a best player available draft again for Carolina No way Melvin Gordon makes it past pick #20 he’s just too good i see Carolina drafting Tevin Coleman or Duke Johnson in the 2nd round

  • Nathan Shane Long

    Carolina will draft a wide receiver in the 1st round either Perriman or Dorsett i mean Gettlemen has addressed the team needs in free agency Offensive Tackle (Oher,Martin) which will be the starting tackle combo receiver (Ginn,Boykin) no way Bersin or Cotchery make the 53 man roster next season and the secondary (Tillman,Coleman) so this will be a best player available draft again for Carolina No way Melvin Gordon makes it past pick #20 he’s just too good i see Carolina drafting Tevin Coleman or Duke Johnson in the 2nd round