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[/vc_raw_html][/vc_column_inner][/vc_row_inner]This should go over well in New England.
Two days before the Patriots help the NFL kick off the season, ESPN dropped an 11,000-word investigation into the organization’s sketchy past. One of the biggest nuggets revealed in “Spygate to Deflategate” is evidence the Patriots taped opposing teams’ signals in 40 games from 2000-2007.
When Deflategate began dominating headlines in January, former Panthers general manager Marty Hurney wondered on his radio show if the Patriots had created “a culture of cheating.” Rumors that the Panthers were victims of something untoward ahead of the 2003 Super Bowl have swirled for years, so it’s not surprising to see that referenced about midway through Tuesday’s exposé:
The Panthers now believe that their practices had been taped by the Patriots before Super Bowl XXXVIII in 2004. “Our players came in after that first half and said it was like [the Patriots] were in our huddle,” a Panthers source says. During halftime — New England led 14-10 — Carolina’s offensive coordinator, Dan Henning, changed game plans because of worries the Patriots had too close a read on Carolina’s schemes. And, in the second half, the Panthers moved the ball at will before losing 32-29 on a last-second field goal. “Do I have any tape to prove they cheated?” this source says. “No. But I’m convinced they did it.”
Following four more paragraphs detailing what the Patriots may have done in two more Super Bowls, came the final Panthers mention:
“I don’t think fans really want to know this — they just want to watch football,” the Panthers source says. “But if you tell them that the games aren’t on the level, they’ll care. Boy, will they care.”
After you carve out about 15 minutes in your schedule, you can read the entirety of ESPN’s latest piece here.
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Yeah we all know that they cheated during that SB, I just wish freaking Hurney would have had the cajones to say it on record by name then.
Yeah we all know that they cheated during that SB, I just wish freaking Hurney would have had the cajones to say it on record by name then.
Ahhh, the year I became a Panthers/Professional Football fan. Memories…
Ahhh, the year I became a Panthers/Professional Football fan. Memories…
When I was a freshman in high school another player told me to watch the lineman’s fingernails. If they’re white he’s leaning forward and it’s a run. It worked, and the lineman still ran right over me.
You still have to actually play the game people.
Thats ridiculous. In poker thats like one player, poorly, showing their tell. This is like a player with x-ray glasses watching all the players. Knowing what one player is doing may or may not make a big difference, knowing what all are going to do is entirely diffrent.
Right, so when Brady is throwing to his 4th check down in less than 2.5 seconds it’s all because he knows what the other defense is doing? Get a grip. He immediately made that team better the play after Bledsoe was hurt.
I doubt if the Patriots alleged cheating is why the Rams, Panthers, or Eagles haven’t won a conference championship since, let alone get to a Super Bowl.
Like mentioned above, its not one on one. When you get Bradys flat balls off your chin ask yourself the easiest most honest question about it…If it provides no advantage why do it? Or better yet continue to do it? You can post an answer below… or you can admit what everyone knows to be true. It clearly gives an advantage. Unfair at that, being against the rules. As far as Brady having time to make his reads…Tuck rule. Remind me how that came to be? As far as repeating championships…cap problems, injury, coaching changes. The real question is how a team with few big name players, players that fail to perform on any other teams, keep winning. And for that answer all you have to do is look at the title of this article.
Well I’d have to say you do the little things because they add up. Filming games so you can study them isn’t cheating, and neither is stealing signals. Belichick’s excuse was he wasn’t using the tapes of games during the game so it wasn’t illegal, also that a memo sent out by Goodell wasn’t a rule change so he couldn’t enforce it. Kraft didn’t want to fight it so they puckered up, same as deflategate but I doubt he’ll eat it again.
The balls were around .2psi lower than expected. I doubt that helped that much.
We lost a game due to the tuck rule earlier that year. The Raiders had another set of downs and overtime to win but they lost. Don’t blame they 16yr old well they fell into because of one call on one game. We lost 2 superbowls the same way, and won 3 of them by 4 points or less. Musta cheated? If it helps you then fine, think what you want. Little things add up. Most people think they’re playing a game while Belichick thinks he’s a professional doing a job.
The real answer to your real question is they expect players to work harder, they pay their stars less money to spread it around, and the Bills, Jets and Miami have sucked for almost 20 years.
Tom Brady’s salary is ranked 21st. He gets almost 1/2 what Carson Palmer makes, less than 1/2 of Cam Newton’s salary, and 1.5 million more than RG3, who is now the back up for what could be the worst team in football. Sounds like cheating to me!
What could a team do with an extra 13 million dollars? You can get a lot of 3rd round picks, let alone undrafted free agents for 13 million dollars.
Quit ignoring the part, “against the rules.” Then your arguments might make sense.
I can’t help but notice that instead of adressing my points you deflected…
What’s your point now? You’ve got no facts other than an aission by the patriots they filmed signal calling from an unapproved location. Everything else is garbage but you claim a body of nefarious activity. Lemmie guess, its as factual as everything else youve stated that inaccurate. 11 out of 12, kballs, texts and broken cell phones. FYI: a judge used air bunnies to ridicule the NFL investigation.
Maybe you didn’t understand. A cba can’t supersede labor laws. Go back and read the 1928 law defining arbitration and whih is the foundation of all CBAs in existence. You would begin to understand that you are wrong in your assumption about Goodell’s power as arbiter. He can claim authority under the cba but its meaningless. It’s like selling your soul on eBay.
You want to call the patriots cheaters have at it. Empty words. A bunch of accusations from losing teams trying to keep fans in the seats. .2 psi on a football is not why they win.
You can’t retroactively condemn someome after you change the rules.
No you can’t, I totally agree. But you can when its blatantly against the rules…there was also a leage meeting in November of 14 to reaffirm the rules on handling game balls. Due to a game between Minnesota and Carolina. Rules were not innocently broken before they were rules.
While recording coaches and their signals isn’t against the rules it can only be done from a designated area. Presumably limiting the view of the signals. Since the filming was done from the sidelines, against the rules then just as it is now, its cheating. As is any recording of walkthrough practices. Both of which were admitted to.
According to the wells report it couldn’t prove the balls had been deflated, so there was no equipment violation, no altering of the balls. Cost 5 million to suppose a conspiracy to deflate. No proof, just some texts. No sticky towel no ball heater. No kballs stolen. Hopefully the refs do a better job this year so a ball boy doesn’t have to check their work.
As far as the taping crock, it wasn’t a rule changes because goodell can’t send out a memo and change the rules. It takes a vote and belichck knew it and said so, then goodell flexed and kraft put an end to it. Here we are 8 years later and espn has monday night football and nothing else to talk about, SI too. So important is this two huge articles came out within 1/2 hr from each other. Pathetic.
Cheaters cheaty mchcheat. Sour grapes.
Oh I see…we ignor facts. In that case your right…
So when the Wells report confirms there was no way to prove the balls were deflated, when Exponent states them is no way to prove ball tampering occurred, when evryon of the accusers are caught lying ans making misleading statedments you want me to ignore that?
Wells lied goodell lied pash lied and Grison lied. Ignore that
Ah everyone lied? Hmmmm…..your first mistake is, as it seems to continue to be, Ignoring the body of work. Spygate was confirmed by all parties involved. Belicheck stated he didn’t realize it was against the rules. All evidence was reviewed and punishment levied. Your second and biggest mistake is assuming the rules of trial law apply. There is no need to prove beyond a doubt, anything. More importantly the CBA that Mr. Brady himself helped draft, approved with his signature, and then convinced the entire players union to approve. Gave total control to the NFL commissioner. He gave the man the power to see, review, decode and interpret the facts he sees and address them as he sees fit. I imagine that destroyed evidence did a lot to sway his opinion, everones for that matter. Old boy is a scumbag and if it werenin a.court of law, destroyed evidence is another charge on its own. Also if this were ina court of law the messages would be provided by the cell carrier ala Aaron Hernandez situation. Brady is sheilded by the fact this isn’t a legal issue and seems smart enough to have “faithful idiots” belive otherwise.
Spygate: Biggest something about nothing ever. Every team does it, every team is still doing it, and yet 8 years later after a 20-30 million dollar fight over 7 months the NFL still wants to drag this up. Explanation: Losers.
If you followed the story vs hearing what you wanted to hear you’d know Goodell lied in his 20 page summary, Wells lied about text messages, Pash lied about editing the Pash/Wells “independent” report and Kensil lied about being contacted by the Colts prior to the AFC championship.
As far as Goodell’s all-powerful power, he’s 0-6 in front of a judge. The rules of trial DO APPLY! As in fundamentally unfair and fair process. You can’t sign yourself into slavery, because regardless of whatever CBA cooked up between people it doesn’t supersede the law.
As far as the cell phone, no player has ever handed over their cell phone. No player has ever handed over their cell phone. Want to hear it again? No player has ever handed over their cell phone. They were never getting that cell phone. He gave them a spread sheet and said “go get ’em, this is who he talked to ” but I guess the first 3 people on the list told them to go to hell.
“Destroyed” evidence he was under no obligation to give up? And of course Wells was SOOOO “independent” until he wasn’t. Get real.
According to the wells report it couldn’t prove the balls had been deflated, so there was no equipment violation, no altering of the balls. Cost 5 million to suppose a conspiracy to deflate. No proof, just some texts. No sticky towel no ball heater. No kballs stolen. Hopefully the refs do a better job this year so a ball boy doesn’t have to check their work. .2 psi. It’s easier to believe deflategate was a makeup call.
As far as the taping crock, it wasn’t a rule changes because goodell can’t send out a memo and change the rules. It takes a vote and belichck knew it and said so, then goodell flexed and kraft put an end to it. Here we are 8 years later and espn has monday night football and nothing else to talk about, SI too. So important is this two huge articles came out within 1/2 hr from each other. Pathetic.
Cheaters cheaty mchcheat. Sour grapes.
When I was a freshman in high school another player told me to watch the lineman’s fingernails. If they’re white he’s leaning forward and it’s a run. It worked, and the lineman still ran right over me.
You still have to actually play the game people.
Thats ridiculous. In poker thats like one player, poorly, showing their tell. This is like a player with x-ray glasses watching all the players. Knowing what one player is doing may or may not make a big difference, knowing what all are going to do is entirely diffrent.
Right, so when Brady is throwing to his 4th check down in less than 2.5 seconds it’s all because he knows what the other defense is doing? Get a grip. He immediately made that team better the play after Bledsoe was hurt.
I doubt if the Patriots alleged cheating is why the Rams, Panthers, or Eagles haven’t won a conference championship since, let alone get to a Super Bowl.
Like mentioned above, its not one on one. When you get Bradys flat balls off your chin ask yourself the easiest most honest question about it…If it provides no advantage why do it? Or better yet continue to do it? You can post an answer below… or you can admit what everyone knows to be true. It clearly gives an advantage. Unfair at that, being against the rules. As far as Brady having time to make his reads…Tuck rule. Remind me how that came to be? As far as repeating championships…cap problems, injury, coaching changes. The real question is how a team with few big name players, players that fail to perform on any other teams, keep winning. And for that answer all you have to do is look at the title of this article.
Well I’d have to say you do the little things because they add up. Filming games so you can study them isn’t cheating, and neither is stealing signals. Belichick’s excuse was he wasn’t using the tapes of games during the game so it wasn’t illegal, also that a memo sent out by Goodell wasn’t a rule change so he couldn’t enforce it. Kraft didn’t want to fight it so they puckered up, same as deflategate but I doubt he’ll eat it again.
The balls were around .2psi lower than expected. I doubt that helped that much.
We lost a game due to the tuck rule earlier that year. The Raiders had another set of downs and overtime to win but they lost. Don’t blame they 16yr old well they fell into because of one call on one game. We lost 2 superbowls the same way, and won 3 of them by 4 points or less. Musta cheated? If it helps you then fine, think what you want. Little things add up. Most people think they’re playing a game while Belichick thinks he’s a professional doing a job.
The real answer to your real question is they expect players to work harder, they pay their stars less money to spread it around, and the Bills, Jets and Miami have sucked for almost 20 years.
Tom Brady’s salary is ranked 21st. He gets almost 1/2 what Carson Palmer makes, less than 1/2 of Cam Newton’s salary, and 1.5 million more than RG3, who is now the back up for what could be the worst team in football. Sounds like cheating to me!
What could a team do with an extra 13 million dollars? You can get a lot of 3rd round picks, let alone undrafted free agents for 13 million dollars.
Quit ignoring the part, “against the rules.” Then your arguments might make sense.
I can’t help but notice that instead of adressing my points you deflected…
What’s your point now? You’ve got no facts other than an aission by the patriots they filmed signal calling from an unapproved location. Everything else is garbage but you claim a body of nefarious activity. Lemmie guess, its as factual as everything else youve stated that inaccurate. 11 out of 12, kballs, texts and broken cell phones. FYI: a judge used air bunnies to ridicule the NFL investigation.
Maybe you didn’t understand. A cba can’t supersede labor laws. Go back and read the 1928 law defining arbitration and whih is the foundation of all CBAs in existence. You would begin to understand that you are wrong in your assumption about Goodell’s power as arbiter. He can claim authority under the cba but its meaningless. It’s like selling your soul on eBay.
You want to call the patriots cheaters have at it. Empty words. A bunch of accusations from losing teams trying to keep fans in the seats. .2 psi on a football is not why they win.
Admission is guilr dumbass. Plain and simple. Cheated, caught, punished. And your not smart enough to realize it. Please thank whoever it is that reminds you to breathe in the morning, you clearly owe them your life. Bla bla bla not proof. Nope a confession. Idiot.
You can’t retroactively condemn someome after you change the rules.
No you can’t, I totally agree. But you can when its blatantly against the rules…there was also a leage meeting in November of 14 to reaffirm the rules on handling game balls. Due to a game between Minnesota and Carolina. Rules were not innocently broken before they were rules.
While recording coaches and their signals isn’t against the rules it can only be done from a designated area. Presumably limiting the view of the signals. Since the filming was done from the sidelines, against the rules then just as it is now, its cheating. As is any recording of walkthrough practices. Both of which were admitted to.
According to the wells report it couldn’t prove the balls had been deflated, so there was no equipment violation, no altering of the balls. Cost 5 million to suppose a conspiracy to deflate. No proof, just some texts. No sticky towel no ball heater. No kballs stolen. Hopefully the refs do a better job this year so a ball boy doesn’t have to check their work.
As far as the taping crock, it wasn’t a rule changes because goodell can’t send out a memo and change the rules. It takes a vote and belichck knew it and said so, then goodell flexed and kraft put an end to it. Here we are 8 years later and espn has monday night football and nothing else to talk about, SI too. So important is this two huge articles came out within 1/2 hr from each other. Pathetic.
Cheaters cheaty mchcheat. Sour grapes.
Oh I see…we ignor facts. In that case your right…
So when the Wells report confirms there was no way to prove the balls were deflated, when Exponent states them is no way to prove ball tampering occurred, when evryon of the accusers are caught lying ans making misleading statedments you want me to ignore that?
Wells lied goodell lied pash lied and Grison lied. Ignore that
Ah everyone lied? Hmmmm…..your first mistake is, as it seems to continue to be, Ignoring the body of work. Spygate was confirmed by all parties involved. Belicheck stated he didn’t realize it was against the rules. All evidence was reviewed and punishment levied. Your second and biggest mistake is assuming the rules of trial law apply. There is no need to prove beyond a doubt, anything. More importantly the CBA that Mr. Brady himself helped draft, approved with his signature, and then convinced the entire players union to approve. Gave total control to the NFL commissioner. He gave the man the power to see, review, decode and interpret the facts he sees and address them as he sees fit. I imagine that destroyed evidence did a lot to sway his opinion, everones for that matter. Old boy is a scumbag and if it werenin a.court of law, destroyed evidence is another charge on its own. Also if this were ina court of law the messages would be provided by the cell carrier ala Aaron Hernandez situation. Brady is sheilded by the fact this isn’t a legal issue and seems smart enough to have “faithful idiots” belive otherwise.
Spygate: Biggest something about nothing ever. Every team does it, every team is still doing it, and yet 8 years later after a 20-30 million dollar fight over 7 months the NFL still wants to drag this up. Explanation: Losers.
If you followed the story vs hearing what you wanted to hear you’d know Goodell lied in his 20 page summary, Wells lied about text messages, Pash lied about editing the Pash/Wells “independent” report and Kensil lied about being contacted by the Colts prior to the AFC championship.
As far as Goodell’s all-powerful power, he’s 0-6 in front of a judge. The rules of trial DO APPLY! As in fundamentally unfair and fair process. You can’t sign yourself into slavery, because regardless of whatever CBA cooked up between people it doesn’t supersede the law.
As far as the cell phone, no player has ever handed over their cell phone. No player has ever handed over their cell phone. Want to hear it again? No player has ever handed over their cell phone. They were never getting that cell phone. He gave them a spread sheet and said “go get ’em, this is who he talked to ” but I guess the first 3 people on the list told them to go to hell.
“Destroyed” evidence he was under no obligation to give up? And of course Wells was SOOOO “independent” until he wasn’t. Get real.
According to the wells report it couldn’t prove the balls had been deflated, so there was no equipment violation, no altering of the balls. Cost 5 million to suppose a conspiracy to deflate. No proof, just some texts. No sticky towel no ball heater. No kballs stolen. Hopefully the refs do a better job this year so a ball boy doesn’t have to check their work. .2 psi. It’s easier to believe deflategate was a makeup call.
As far as the taping crock, it wasn’t a rule changes because goodell can’t send out a memo and change the rules. It takes a vote and belichck knew it and said so, then goodell flexed and kraft put an end to it. Here we are 8 years later and espn has monday night football and nothing else to talk about, SI too. So important is this two huge articles came out within 1/2 hr from each other. Pathetic.
Cheaters cheaty mchcheat. Sour grapes.
@jason_alston:disqus Hurney has already said that he believes they cheated, on the record. He declined to elaborate on his previous comments today.
@jason_alston:disqus Hurney has already said that he believes they cheated, on the record. He declined to elaborate on his previous comments today.
The Panthers were able to ‘move the ball at will’ in the second half and managed to score just 1 more point than the Patriots did? Think about it.
That was an awesome game and you guys were a great underdog team that nobody gave a chance to coming into the playoffs. I actually loved the fire that Jake Delhomme played with in that game and that back and forth offense was crazy to watch. We didn’t cheat. We were a great team and won the Super Bowl the following year too. Don’t buy into the excuses.
Moving the ball at will doesn’t also mean stopping the ball at will.
The Panthers were able to ‘move the ball at will’ in the second half and managed to score just 1 more point than the Patriots did? Think about it.
That was an awesome game and you guys were a great underdog team that nobody gave a chance to coming into the playoffs. I actually loved the fire that Jake Delhomme played with in that game and that back and forth offense was crazy to watch. We didn’t cheat. We were a great team and won the Super Bowl the following year too. Don’t buy into the excuses.
Moving the ball at will doesn’t also mean stopping the ball at will.